Issue 43: Truths About Northwestern That Even An Alum Didn’t Know, Plus An Admission Director’s Answers To Your Questions

Last week, we talked with Northwestern’s admissions director Justin Clarke about how he determines fit, Northwestern’s institutional priorities, and how Northwestern adapted to a steadily declining admit rate. To catch up, click here.

In this week’s exclusive interview with a Northwestern admissions director, we chat about:

  • How Justin felt about his responsibilities as admissions directorHow he made quick and sound admissions decisions
  • The amount of time he spent on each application
  • The kinds of applicants made him do a double-take
  • His opinion on the SAT diversity score
  • How admissions interview reports truly affected his decisions
  • The truth about the admissions quota from specific schools, regions, or countries

Plus, remember the question call sweepstakes? Read his answers to the winners’ questions: Michelle, Mridul, and Kristi.

Exclusive Insider Interview: Assistant Director of Admissions, Northwestern University, Part 2

Mercy at SocratesPost: It’s refreshing to learn that students are also responsible for shaping the administrators’ viewpoints, not just the other way around. The students who are capable of teaching others about biases seem to be really valued. What was a big surprise that shocked you about how admissions works when you transitioned into the job?

Justin at Northwestern: The workload. It’s heavy. We have what is known in our circles as travel season and then we also have reading season. Travel season occurs during the fall, roughly three months you might be gone. Anywhere from two months out of three months, we’re meeting everybody that you’re eventually going to be deciding who comes in and you are also forging relationships and learning about the high schools, the community-based organizations that are the support system for the students. Then right after that, maybe about two weeks to breathe, and then for about four to five months, you are engaged in reading applications for 12 to 13 hours of your day. It’s definitely taxing.

And it’s funny, you said earlier that I was fortunate to be able to come into the department where there was a long standing historical knowledge available from the folks who even admitted me, coming from the south suburbs of Chicago. I was speaking with my rep, saying “thank you, I’m glad I was in Northwestern, I was intelligent enough, I was active enough,” and also, “Thank you for doing all of this work and now that I am in your place, it’s a lot.”

Mercy at SocratesPost: With all of these responsibilities, how do you feel about it?

Justin at Northwestern: It can be very stressful because you are making a decision that has an impact on someone’s life. You’re also trying to make that decision while recognizing that this isn’t any type of judgment on how good you are. This is just whether or not we fit, because the great thing about it is that there may be a lot of weight on students: Are they going to admit me? Am I good enough? But then once you do get that admittance, the tables change. All the power is in your hands, because you get to now say, “Okay, do I want to choose you all?” So, it’s an even balance.

Mercy at SocratesPost: Would you say the workload is more than that of college?

Justin at Northwestern: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Things are a little bit sweeter, obviously, during the summer months. We have vacation, of course, you still have work and projects to work on, but it’s not as intensive. That’s when we go back to be regular adults, like you can actually have hobbies once you leave the office. Walking into that time period, which is obviously a heavy majority of the year, it’s not something that you necessarily know, unless you would have had a friend or family member or colleague who was in the space.

Mercy at SocratesPost: I’m sure. Because all these decisions, like you said, has such a big impact on the applicant, how did you learn to make quick and sound decisions? I can imagine spending so long deciding what to do with a certain applicant, maybe they could go either way, or maybe something is great about them, but something else isn’t.

Justin at Northwestern: There’s never a better teacher than experience and also, I was quite fortunate to come in and have great mentorship as well. The experience piece is absolutely critical. Until you’re in it, you can read as much as you want to, you can look at past decisions made, but until you’re able to actually look at this particular applicant and decide whether or not they’re going to be admitted, there’s nothing like it. There’s nothing that really completely prepares you for it.

I think about this a lot when we’re talking about aspects of any type of student development or human psychology is that you have all these things that are written, all these training manuals, but people aren’t robots, so you’re not always going to be two plus two. You’re trying to prepare yourself as best as you can when you look at admissions for a living, breathing, completely unique individual. Just because they may have also been in the band for four years, like this other individual, and they may have the exact same hours of community service and strong letters of recommendation, their high school isn’t the same. Their environment isn’t the same;’ their home life isn’t the same. So, it’s always going to be a completely new decision.

Mercy at SocratesPost: What else do you think helped you make these admissions decisions?

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Mercy at SocratesPost: Was that an experience you personally had?

Mercy at SocratesPost: Wow. You said you read applications for 12 to 13 hours during the application reading season. How many did you typically get through?

Michelle, a reader of SocratesPost: What’s something that makes you slow down or do a double-take when you’re reading an application?

Mercy at SocratesPost: Why does that type of applicant stand out to you so much and make you do a double take?

Mercy at SocratesPost: Wow. What was the culture like working in the office? Did you usually have a desk lunch while responding to emails, or do you all go out and eat together? What was it like working with your colleagues?

Mercy at SocratesPost: I love that. And what’s the path of an application at Northwestern? Some schools have their area managers make decisions whereas other schools make recommendations to push forward to a committee. How does Northwestern do it?

Mercy at SocratesPost: What happened the last time you witnessed a big disagreement among the committee, or just several coworkers about whether or not a candidate should be admitted?

Mercy at SocratesPost: Speaking of data driven, a lot of readers have been asking about the SAT adversity score. Some are a little concerned about what’s going to happen with admissions and how that’s going to change. What are your thoughts on that?

Mercy at SocratesPost: Are you feeling optimistic at all about the SAT adversity score?

Mercy at SocratesPost: Yeah, it makes sense. It seems like the intention is good. It’s taking into account the background and the context of an individual’s life, which is a great intention, whether or not specifically the methodology is proper. We’ll have to see what happens.

I wanted to talk about admissions interviews and how you viewed those. During your years of reviewing applications, did an interview report ever sway your decision one way or another?

Mercy at SocratesPost: That’s understandable. What about the report negatively sways your decision?

Mercy at SocratesPost: Yeah, that totally makes sense. Looking back at your time in the admissions office, what was one of your best memories?

Mercy at SocratesPost: It’s cool that you get to meet some of these individuals in person, and it’s not just reviewing applications from behind the screen. You get to really get to know them.

Mercy at SocratesPost: What’s a story of a memorable student encounter you had?

Mercy at SocratesPost: Do you think that having met these individuals before reading their applications helps you remember them when you read application?

Mercy at SocratesPost: What about reading applications of family and friends?

Mercy at SocratesPost: Yeah, really sounds like it.

Mridul, a reader of SocratesPost: How do you determine quotas for admitted students from various countries? Does Northwestern have a quota specific to countries? For example, a fixed or small range of applicants you can select from a particular international country like India?

Mercy at SocratesPost: Thanks for that!. Here’s another question from Kristi, one of our subscribers, who is also an alum.

Kristi, a subscriber of SocratesPost: If a student has attended an NU-sponsored summer program and is a great fit for a specialized program, takes rigorous classes in high school, but scores significantly lower on standardized tests than NU’s range, would they have a decent shot of admittance under Early Decision?

Mercy at SocratesPost: The subscriber who asked the question is also an alum. How does that play in?

Mercy at SocratesPost: That’s helpful. What are some questions you hoped I asked?

Mercy at SocratesPost: I’m learning so much from you, even as a Northwestern alum. To wrap up, what’s your best piece of advice for anyone trying to get into Northwestern?

Mercy at SocratesPost: Thank you so much Justin for your time and insider insights.

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Dear Socrates Q&A

This week, we selected a question from Adrianne:

“What should you NOT say in an interview? Obviously name another school, etc. Something that throws you off.”

This was one of the questions submitted for the interview with Justin, one of Northwestern’s admissions directors. Even though it wasn’t selected, it’s a good question that we’ve gathered insight on after interviewing countless admissions insiders, including admissions interviewers.

Firstly, I used to interview applicants to Northwestern. My fellow admissions interviewers and I would ask our student interviewees “Why do you want to come to Northwestern?”

A response like this usually got the interviewee a negative report: “It’s a highly ranked school that’s on the Top 10 of U.S. News and World Report.”

Northwestern is a unique school in that it really values demonstrated interest. Of course it helps protect their yield rates, but having students who love Northwestern actually attend makes for a more engaged student body.

So when someone says they want to attend Northwestern merely because of what others have said about it or how it’s portrayed by the media, it shows that they didn’t do any research and therefore are not interested in Northwestern.

Additionally, here are what 3 other admissions interviewers say about how NOT to approach your interview.

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June 30, 2019 — Verify it or confront the student or let it slide.

During a recent American School Counselor Association conference, participants were asked what they would do if faced with a suspicious application. Two-thirds would verify the information, followed by confronting the student then letting it slide. Counselors, depending on their personalities and relationships with students, can either trust their students, encourage integrity, or call them out. In the end, students are responsible for choosing their actions.

What does this mean? With the increased pressures to get into college, more students are fudging their brag sheets or embellishing their resumes. Schools with more resources can employ counselors to individually interview students to ensure authenticity, but schools lacking resources may be forced to let the white lies slide.