Issue 10: Colorado School of Mines (2/2), 2018 State of College Admission

Exclusive Insider Interview: Colorado School of Mines, Admissions Counselor and Application Reader (Part 2)

Last issue, we heard from application reader and admissions counselor Amanda Rodriguez about what she experiences recruiting and selecting students for a small, public STEM school. To catch up from the first section of our interview with Mines, click here.

Today, we continue our conversation with Amanda and learn what she thinks are the secrets to college admissions.

Mercy at SocratesPost: “Do you believe there are any secrets to the college admissions process? And if so, what are they?”
Amanda at Mines: “That’s a good question. I would say that in our process, there’s really not a secret. I think people know that our office in general is very communicative. We email students, we talk to students on the phone, we talk to people who walk in our front doors. There’s four admissions counselors on the team and all four of us review applications for the first time around. So we’re pretty honest since we all know what that process looks like.

As I mentioned before, we’re recruiting and we’re reading applications so it’s very easy for us to sit down with a family and talk to them realistically about what their odds are when they’re looking at Mines. I think people know that Mines is a very prestigious STEM school but if you look at our acceptance rates they’re actually quite high compared to an MIT or Stanford or Caltech or something like that. Our acceptance rate this past cycle was about 49%, so students who are academically qualified and who have other qualities that we’re looking for — teamwork, leadership skills (are they well-rounded students?), and they applied early — chances are they’re going to get in. We’re mainly just looking to see if a student is prepared to be successful here and Mines is harder than just a large state school.

We rank number one in the state of Colorado for an engineering degree so we do have some higher standards than other universities, but it doesn’t necessarily mean that a student who is qualified to be here applies and wouldn’t get in. Really, a lot of times, it comes down to the timing factor with rolling admissions but there are other factors that go into the decision.”

Mercy at SocratesPost: “What are some other factors that you talked about during the admissions or decision making process that students don’t know about? Because we know definitely you’re looking at their performance academically and you’re looking at what we talked about earlier, their ability to innovate and initiate projects — are there any other decision making factors that someone wouldn’t know when they’re applying for the first time?”
Amanda at Mines: “For Mines, I would say teamwork skills is important to display. Some students will just put on their listed activities “Oh, I played football or I played a sport or whatnot,” but really we want to know what that looked like for them. At Mines, you have to do a lot of studying together and a lot of group projects, so we like students to really outline for us what are your teamwork skills. Don’t leave that up to guesswork. Obviously, we’re practiced and seasoned admission counselors and we know typically what that looks like and can pretty well gauge what these teamwork skills look like. You don’t ever want to leave that up to someone else’s decision, if you can, right? If that’s in your hands, that’s something that you can talk more in depth about then that’s definitely beneficial.

We’re looking at students’ leadership skills, we’re looking at their work histories, if they’re innovators, if they show interest in Mines rather than just going to our website, sending an application and that’s it but have never communicated with us at any point and never been on campus, never looked at our website, never read any of the emails that we send them. Those kind of students are hard to gauge whether they’re truly interested or not, so a student could have the exact same academic and other qualifications as another student but maybe the student who has updated us their senior year and said “Hey, this is what’s going my senior year. I’m still very interested in Mines and I’m anxiously awaiting my decision. I plan to come visit campus if I get admitted” — we’re going to know more about that student and about their interest level than a student who never says anything at all.”

Mercy at SocratesPost: “It sounds like the student taking the initiative to engage with you guys and keep you on the loop maintaining that relationship is something you take note of.”
Amanda at Mines: “Yes, we do, and I think a lot of colleges do that so that might be a secret other colleges have. We absolutely do look at that. We have records of students who have come to visit campus and those sorts of things so that’s always beneficial for us to be able to know truly what their interest level is.
Mercy at SocratesPost: “That’s a great tip if someone has Mines as their first choice college. They should already be wanting to talk to you and engage with your team, visiting campus, getting to know maybe some of the current students. It’s something that students don’t think about all the time because they’re so focused on packaging their resume and writing that essay, but that engagement aspect is a really good insight that you have there.

So, we’ll move on to the next question. Some students are just checking boxes that they’ve been told by their parents or teachers to check-off, which is “have this grade, this type of extracurricular activity, and this type of essay and you’re a shoo-in.” How do students stop just checking the boxes and actually prove that they’re pursuing their passion?”

Amanda at Mines: “I think the only way they can do that is by verbalizing that, whether that be in writing or calling us and telling us about it. I think it’s pretty evident when we ask the question “Why do you want to be an engineer? Why do you want to come to Mines?” When a student answers that question, it’s pretty obvious if they have the intention of pursuing a degree in STEM or if they’re just applying to apply or they’re not quite sure if they want to go into engineering or math or they want to be a vet. I would leave it at that, in just them vocalizing that. There’s really no other way we’re going to know.
Mercy at SocratesPost: “Having the ability to put it on paper and also to talk about it in person with you guys is important for your applicants.”
Amanda at Mines: “Yes.
Mercy at SocratesPost: “Looking into the future, you guys have a modern way of looking at admissions. Some universities and colleges are changing up their admissions criteria, some are making standardized testing optional, some are making the process more personalized and less numbers based. Is Mines doing anything like that? And what are your thoughts about the college admissions landscape in general in the country moving forward?”
Mercy at SocratesPost: “The theme that I’m learning about Mines is the long-term relationship from the recruiting side to the reading of applications, from helping integrate the students into campus to even guiding the students who weren’t admitted. You’re looking at how can they optimize their potential and to eventually come to Mines even if they’re not starting their first year there.

One thing you talked about is some students are just not a good fit for Mines and I wanted to know, what type of applicant is a straight up no? They can’t even have the opportunity to transfer just because you don’t think they’ll ever fit in the university.”

Mercy at SocratesPost: “Some students feel this pressure when they’re in 11th or 12th grade they should have already had experience in what they want to study. For example, if they want to become an aerospace engineer, they would’ve interned at an aerospace company. But what about students who figure out later on in their high school career that they want to give engineering a shot? They have no experience in it because they figured it out so late. How do you treat applicants like that?
Mercy at SocratesPost: “What is your best piece of advice for a high school applicant hoping for a spot at Mines?

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The Skinny

The National Association for College Admissions Counseling (NACAC) recently released their annual State of College Admissions report. The report gives a numbers-based overview of this year’s trends in American college admissions, ranging from acceptance rates, application growth, selection factors, and more.

Thousands of admissions officers, high school counselors, and researchers contributed to the annual Admissions Trends Survey and Counseling Trends Survey.

SocratesPost read through the 40-page report and got you The Skinny.

1. You’re competing against more college applicants and seeing more headlines on record application numbers.

Between Fall 2016 and Fall 2017, first-time freshmen (the most common) applications to U.S. colleges increased 4%. Transfers increased 3% and international applications increased 8%. Most colleges cannot increase the number of seats offered to new students. Therefore, applicants face even greater competition. What this means for you: a strong application is more important than ever.

2. College admissions rates grew and you’ll probably get into college. (No guarantees on which one, though!)

The average U.S. college acceptance rate increased slightly from 65% in Fall 2013 to 66% in Fall 2016 for first-time domestic freshmen The Ivies and other highly selective colleges like MIT, Stanford, Northwestern, UChicago, etc. are constantly grabbing headlines with their record-low acceptance rates. But as a whole, American colleges are actually accepting more students. Private colleges (including those schools listed above) saw a 6% lower acceptance rate than public colleges.